Astoria Planning Commission
Meeting – May 22, 2018
Youtube Auto-Generated Transcript – see  https://youtu.be/WZp1m2kP6zo 

Call to Order, Roll Call, Minutes
Election of Officers
Minutes
Public Hearings
Conditional Use (CU18-03) Trevor Alaine, Bread and Breakfast
Work Session – Proposal of code amendments to address emergency shelters

Call to Order, Roll Call, Minutes
https://youtu.be/WZp1m2kP6zo?t=19 
hour:minute:second
0:00:19	planning commission meeting
0:00:21	we will have our call to order and roll
0:00:24	call
0:00:26	planner fervor
0:00:33	[Music]
0:00:37	yes commissioner henry here if it's
0:00:39	patrick
0:00:40	here
Election of Officers
https://youtu.be/WZp1m2kP6zo?t=43 
0:00:43	next item we should have election of
0:00:46	officers
0:00:46	and we have a new secretary
0:00:51	uh we should nominate a new secretary
0:00:54	is there anyone that would like to i
0:00:56	would like to nominate tiffany taylor as
0:00:58	a researcher
0:00:59	second all those in favor aye
0:01:02	opposed motion carries
Minutes
https://youtu.be/WZp1m2kP6zo?t=67 
0:01:07	did everyone have a chance to review the
0:01:10	April 24
0:01:12	2018 minutes
0:01:15	and did anyone see anything i have no
0:01:19	question
0:01:21	i did have something i didn't find it
0:01:35	and the chairman would recognize
0:01:36	commissioner herman yes
0:01:38	on page five
0:01:42	about halfway down um
0:01:46	after the sentence beginning with
0:01:47	president fitzpatrick
0:01:50	i believe it's the third sentence down
0:01:53	he added that commissioner hermann had
0:01:54	made it clear
0:01:55	she was disturbed by his suggestion
0:01:58	abroad
0:01:59	et cetera i think that was commissioner
0:02:01	mitchell who said that
0:02:02	i i was going to say i thought i had
0:02:04	said commissioner mitchell
0:02:05	and if i uh said commissioner herman my
0:02:09	sincere apologies to you for that
0:02:12	so if the uh minutes could reflect that
0:02:15	i was discussing
0:02:16	uh comments made comments made by
0:02:18	commissioner mitchell
0:02:20	and not by commissioner herman and then
0:02:24	commissioner henry did you have any so i
0:02:27	would also
0:02:28	note that uh chris hafker's name uh
0:02:32	last name was spellprong and it should
0:02:34	be h h-a-e-f-k-e-r
0:02:37	and i think that was on page five
0:02:42	second paragraph and there was another
0:02:46	place where i saw it had also been
0:02:50	[Music]
0:02:52	been misspelled
0:02:58	and i apologize i had it on my laptop
0:03:01	but i didn't have it on my
0:03:02	copy
0:03:10	i move we approve the minutes as amended
0:03:13	i'll second that
0:03:14	all those in favor aye opposed
0:03:18	i am staying i wasn't here fair enough
0:03:21	[Music]
Public Hearings
https://youtu.be/WZp1m2kP6zo?t=203 
0:03:23	okay i will um ask those in the audience
0:03:26	and my fellow commissioners to bear with
0:03:28	me this evening the
0:03:30	uh very high pollen has plagued havoc
0:03:33	with my
0:03:33	allergies and i've not slept well and i
0:03:37	haven't been breathing well so
0:03:41	i will do my best to make it through
0:03:42	here
0:03:44	the next item on the agenda is a
0:03:47	conditional use
0:03:48	and i will read the introductory remarks
0:03:51	the estuary planning commission will
0:03:52	handle
0:03:53	a matter tonight with a public hearing
0:03:55	the order i'm going to follow for the
0:03:57	public hearing is outlined in a handout
0:03:59	called procedures for conduct of public
0:04:00	hearings which is available from staff
0:04:03	scheduled public hearings are itemized
0:04:05	on the agenda in each case i will
0:04:07	identify the subject
0:04:08	announce when the public hearing is open
0:04:10	and ask anyone interested to testify
0:04:12	regarding the matter
0:04:14	if you wish to speak please be sure to
0:04:16	sign the hearing sign in sheet with
0:04:17	staff
0:04:19	you should address your marks to whether
0:04:20	or not the application in question meets
0:04:22	the necessary criteria
0:04:24	significant criteria that applied to
0:04:26	each issue are listed in the staff
0:04:28	report which staff has available
0:04:30	if you fail to raise an issue in person
0:04:32	or by letter to the australia planning
0:04:34	commission or city
0:04:35	council an appeal of that issue would
0:04:37	not be permitted
Conditional Use (CU18-03) Trevor Alaine, Bread and Breakfast
https://youtu.be/WZp1m2kP6zo?t=280 
0:04:40	now it's my understanding that the
0:04:44	conditional use application that we have
0:04:47	received
0:04:49	the applicant has so cu 1803 is a
0:04:52	conditional use request for a bed and
0:04:54	breakfast but the applicant
0:04:55	asked for it to be continued to the next
0:04:57	meeting so he can figure out some
0:04:59	transportation issues
0:05:00	it did note that there were a couple
0:05:02	public comments that were just received
0:05:03	tonight so those haven't been made
0:05:05	available to commissioners yet
0:05:06	and there's been no staff report issued
0:05:08	yet because it was requested
0:05:10	for continuance so you're welcome to
0:05:13	open the public hearing if there are
0:05:15	people here who want to speak about it
0:05:16	otherwise we just need a motion
0:05:18	to continue the public hearing and the
0:05:21	permit to the june
0:05:22	26th meeting so thank you planner fervor
0:05:26	because there may be people
0:05:27	in the audience this evening that
0:05:29	attended so that they could speak on
0:05:30	this application i will open the public
0:05:32	hearing
0:05:33	for comments after which i will ask for
0:05:36	a motion to continue the hearing
0:05:38	and the permit and recognize the date
0:05:41	that the applicant has
0:05:43	requested so is there anyone here who
0:05:46	would
0:05:47	speak in favor of the application and
0:05:50	i'm sorry
0:05:51	conditional use see you 18-03
0:05:55	by trevor elaine to locate a
0:05:57	three-bedroom bed and breakfast in an
0:05:59	existing single-family dwelling
0:06:01	at 222 mcclure avenue
0:06:08	and am i the only one that cures a
0:06:10	beeping challenge
0:06:12	that's you no
0:06:15	[Music]
0:06:18	sorry about that so is there anyone that
0:06:21	would speak
0:06:22	in favor of the application
0:06:26	is there anyone here tonight that would
0:06:28	speak impartial to the application
0:06:32	is there anyone here tonight that would
0:06:34	speak against the application
0:06:37	please step forward
0:06:40	state your name and address for the
0:06:41	record
0:06:43	and we would ask that you keep your
0:06:45	comments to three minutes or less my
0:06:48	name is donald clyde
0:06:49	i live 260 mcclure avenue which is right
0:06:52	next door to
0:06:55	the property being requested for the
0:06:56	conditional use
0:07:00	he does not have in his permit he is he
0:07:04	is showing parking that he doesn't have
0:07:07	he has to cross my property in order for
0:07:09	his
0:07:10	his people he even has renters there now
0:07:12	but if he had if you have people on a
0:07:14	bed and breakfast they would have to
0:07:16	back over my property in order to turn
0:07:18	around to leave
0:07:19	which there is an easement on my
0:07:22	property which gives him
0:07:23	pardon me access to his home
0:07:26	so in that respect i can't see how he
0:07:29	could ever
0:07:31	get a conditional use permit and then
0:07:33	he's the number of uh
0:07:35	beds he's saying he can have there's no
0:07:37	way you can have parking for that
0:07:40	he's talking about two in a garage three
0:07:42	outside i can't see it i would even be
0:07:44	safe
0:07:46	or or feasible
0:07:51	secondly the easement that
0:07:54	that i own the property on but he has
0:07:56	the right to use a terrible condition
0:07:58	and it's his responsibility to maintain
0:08:00	it he has not
0:08:03	um there are some motion
0:08:07	activated lights that shine right into
0:08:09	our bedroom
0:08:10	which i'm i'm not very happy about that
0:08:13	um
0:08:17	let's see what else i'm i think that's
0:08:19	all
0:08:20	okay mr clyde we appreciate you coming
0:08:23	out this evening to speak to us since we
0:08:25	don't have an application it's
0:08:26	hard for us to uh virtually impossible
0:08:29	for us to
0:08:30	look and see the areas that you're
0:08:33	discussing
0:08:34	if you could attend on the june 26
0:08:38	meeting as well
0:08:39	that would be uh okay all right i guess
0:08:41	my i have a major objection to that
0:08:43	i don't know what could possibly change
0:08:45	between now and then
0:08:46	i mean we're not going to change the
0:08:48	parking issue okay
0:08:50	uh the table is just doesn't seem
0:08:53	well again i'm allowing people to give
0:08:55	public comment tonight
0:08:56	so that we have you have the opportunity
0:08:59	there's a gentleman named
0:09:00	mike morgan was out there he measures
0:09:03	some things off he agrees that
0:09:05	parking is a major issue okay
0:09:09	thank you thank you are there any other
0:09:12	parties that would
0:09:14	speak against the application
0:09:22	hi my name is jolene hampus and i live
0:09:24	at 111 mcclure avenue which is directly
0:09:28	across the street from the proposed
0:09:32	bed and breakfast um
0:09:36	so my big concern i have a few
0:09:40	but it's we live in on dead-end road
0:09:44	and there are not any sidewalks there
0:09:48	are not uh street lights at the end of
0:09:50	the road
0:09:51	there is at the end of our street a
0:09:54	trail
0:09:54	that the kids use to get through to the
0:09:57	high school
0:09:58	and runners use it and people walking
0:10:00	dogs and
0:10:01	parents and everything walk along our
0:10:03	road a lot
0:10:05	and the bus stop is at the beginning
0:10:09	of mcclure which
0:10:13	the cross street is seventh so like
0:10:15	coming up from
0:10:16	fulton's mclare turns off
0:10:20	so the bus doesn't come all the way down
0:10:21	to pick those kids up so they have to
0:10:23	walk down the street
0:10:25	already to get the bus and if we
0:10:28	allow parking on the road it's going to
0:10:32	narrow the road further i don't know
0:10:34	where all the kids that are walking the
0:10:36	high school students the kids catch
0:10:37	their bus
0:10:38	the dog walkers and everybody are going
0:10:40	to park you'd have to allow
0:10:42	one side of the street parking still
0:10:44	that one that
0:10:46	fixed the situation so that's a big
0:10:49	concern to me emergency vehicles too
0:10:53	like don was saying going up his
0:10:55	driveway or if they park on that side of
0:10:57	the street you know
0:10:59	it causes a lot of issues as far as i
0:11:01	can see but
0:11:02	i'm just a resident i don't know
0:11:06	the other thing is i did buy the house
0:11:08	we bought the house my husband and i
0:11:10	bought the house in a residential area
0:11:12	over
0:11:13	20 years ago and it's been a great
0:11:15	neighborhood
0:11:17	a lot of people have been there for a
0:11:19	long time and it allows us to have a
0:11:20	neighborhood watch
0:11:22	and it's just been
0:11:26	a really good place i have great
0:11:28	neighbors i can count on
0:11:30	and when we change it over to a business
0:11:32	neighborhood or having
0:11:33	transient people come through it just
0:11:36	changes the whole composition of the
0:11:38	neighborhood
0:11:39	and you know in talking to the neighbors
0:11:43	i haven't really found anybody that is
0:11:46	for it i know some people wrote in
0:11:48	and um so those are the big concerns
0:11:50	especially for the safety of the public
0:11:52	and there's quite a bit of public that
0:11:54	uses the street
0:11:56	so um i kind of been wondering is he
0:11:59	you know hoping i'm glad you're taking
0:12:01	our
0:12:02	our feedback now because not all of us
0:12:05	can possibly make it to next month
0:12:08	so we're grateful that you allow us to
0:12:10	be heard tonight
0:12:12	thank you great thank you very much and
0:12:14	and in addition to if you're able to
0:12:16	attend next month
0:12:17	or if you're not you might also write an
0:12:20	email or a letter
0:12:21	thank you i will and do other people
0:12:24	this is on the record they don't need to
0:12:25	write again today
0:12:27	so you can it's helpful to have it
0:12:29	written in if you can either
0:12:30	testify tonight or you can send a letter
0:12:32	okay thank you so much
0:12:34	thank you miss office
0:12:37	anyone else speak against the
0:12:40	application
0:12:46	seeing none i will close the public
0:12:48	hearing
0:12:49	i want to keep it open for next time
0:12:52	with the option to keep it open
0:12:54	to reopen at our next uh at our june
0:12:57	26th meeting
0:13:00	we have a motion to continue the hearing
0:13:04	the permit and state the date
0:13:08	i move we continue the conditional use
0:13:11	cu 1803 by trevor elaine to locate a
0:13:14	three-bedroom bed and breakfast and an
0:13:16	existing single family dwelling at 222
0:13:18	mcclure avenue to the june 26th meeting
0:13:23	and keep open the public hearing and
0:13:25	permit review
0:13:26	one second all those in favor aye aye
0:13:30	opposed motion carries
0:13:37	okay so we would we would thank those of
0:13:39	you who came this evening
0:13:40	sorry that we don't have any sort of
0:13:43	outcome this evening
0:13:44	but uh it is at least on halt
0:13:49	again if you would like to attend next
0:13:51	month please do and if you have people
0:13:53	that would like to write
0:13:54	letters in favor impart or against
0:13:58	please encourage them to do so thank you
Work Session – Proposal of code amendments to address emergency shelters
https://youtu.be/WZp1m2kP6zo?t=846 
0:14:06	okay next item on the agenda is the work
0:14:09	session
0:14:11	and as we have discussed in previous
0:14:14	work sessions
0:14:15	this is public comment
0:14:19	is at the option of the chair at the
0:14:22	previous two
0:14:23	i have chosen to allow public comment
0:14:25	and i will continue to allow public
0:14:27	comment this evening
0:14:34	is there in this case at our last
0:14:37	meeting
0:14:39	there was some concern about discussing
0:14:41	after we had spoken
0:14:43	rather than before is there anyone that
0:14:45	wants to
0:14:46	address us before we open discussion
0:14:49	between the commissioners
0:14:56	okay
0:14:58	[Music]
0:15:10	oh i'm waiting for people to exit so the
0:15:12	last meeting we left i
0:15:14	included a memo um we left off with
0:15:16	reviewing
0:15:17	some of the definitions some added
0:15:21	um pieces about buffering with a
0:15:24	thousand feet between
0:15:25	warming centers there's been a map
0:15:29	that's been provided
0:15:31	by some of the warming center folks
0:15:33	which is very helpful
0:15:35	with current churches and where the
0:15:37	zoning is and i'm sorry i didn't print
0:15:39	it in color
0:15:41	and then there were some pending legal
0:15:42	questions too which i'm still working
0:15:44	with blair on to get some
0:15:45	final um determinations on those so if
0:15:48	we can have
0:15:49	either it's up to you but if you want to
0:15:50	do further discussion on the latest
0:15:52	edition i included commissioner moore's
0:15:54	language that referenced some of the
0:15:57	public health and safety
0:16:00	um issues in the
0:16:03	fire fire team i forget what it's called
0:16:06	t14
0:16:10	11 ta11 thank you um
0:16:14	because there were two versions that we
0:16:15	were talking about including all of that
0:16:17	language or just referencing that
0:16:18	language so i included that version in
0:16:20	this one but otherwise this
0:16:22	the version in your packet captures the
0:16:25	things that we discussed last time
0:16:26	thanks to commissioner moore who
0:16:28	included notes in this one
0:16:30	so we're really pending final answers
0:16:32	from blair kind of on the staff end
0:16:33	before i
0:16:35	would wrap up a formal code amendment
0:16:37	and proceed forward with that
0:16:40	can you share with us what those
0:16:42	concerns
0:16:43	are or what the legal questions yeah the
0:16:44	legal questions that popped up last time
0:16:47	they were pretty minor was if it's
0:16:51	okay to allow an emergency shelter in a
0:16:54	church if the church is existing
0:16:56	non-conforming
0:16:57	which i don't think is an issue but
0:16:59	we're going to double check
0:17:01	if it's an issue to reference that
0:17:03	emergency shelters
0:17:04	or how to define them for less than 10
0:17:06	people i don't know if that's allowed in
0:17:08	a residential zone we don't really want
0:17:10	to open a can of worms if we're saying
0:17:12	25 more are okay here but 10 or less are
0:17:15	okay somewhere else if it's not codified
0:17:17	somewhere
0:17:18	and these might not be issues but
0:17:19	they're kind of my red flags that blair
0:17:22	will
0:17:22	say if their issues are not um the other
0:17:25	one
0:17:26	was if minimum distances are allowed if
0:17:28	there's any legal issues with requiring
0:17:30	1000 feet or x buffer
0:17:35	and then if we can add a requirement
0:17:38	that conditional uses be reviewed within
0:17:40	a one year period we had talked about
0:17:43	keeping that temporary use permit
0:17:45	requires the reveal
0:17:46	every year but as soon as you capture it
0:17:48	in a conditional use they don't have to
0:17:49	come back every year so there was a
0:17:50	question about procedures
0:17:52	for redoing public notice or somehow
0:17:54	opening it up for
0:17:55	public testimony and review within a
0:17:57	year
0:17:58	i think that was it
0:18:02	oh and a question about if capacity
0:18:04	would change density
0:18:05	so just some technical stuff and i
0:18:08	appreciate that i
0:18:09	um
0:18:11	[Music]
0:18:13	having thought about it since the uh
0:18:16	the last month's meeting um i am
0:18:19	i remain concerned about having uh
0:18:22	different uses allowed in some
0:18:25	residential zonings and not other
0:18:26	residential zonings so
0:18:28	i believe that it should be the density
0:18:31	the the number of people allowed in the
0:18:33	units or in the warming center
0:18:35	should be the same whether it's r3
0:18:38	r2 or r1 if we're going to allow it in
0:18:40	any residential we should allow it in
0:18:42	the fall
0:18:42	residential okay
0:18:47	okay do we have any other comments from
0:18:54	commissioners
0:18:56	i would uh comment briefly that again
0:19:00	you know our role as client
0:19:01	commissioners is
0:19:04	directed by the development code and the
0:19:06	comprehensive plan
0:19:08	and what i found in my research in our
0:19:11	language is that
0:19:15	it's essential that we as planning
0:19:17	commissioners
0:19:20	and i'll quote the comprehensive plan
0:19:23	existing neighborhoods from incompatible
0:19:26	uses
0:19:27	and that's really the only language that
0:19:30	kind of motivated
0:19:32	this and visualizing or trying to
0:19:34	predict
0:19:36	um potential growth
0:19:39	in homeless populations
0:19:43	we can project that emergency or
0:19:45	temporary morning shelters may
0:19:47	grow you know in concert with the
0:19:51	population
0:19:53	and as a planning commissioner being
0:19:55	directed by the development code we have
0:19:57	to protect existing neighborhoods
0:20:00	from disruption essentially so that's
0:20:02	what motivated this and what continues
0:20:04	to drive
0:20:06	these code amendments is is to make sure
0:20:09	that
0:20:10	when creating a new use in an existing
0:20:12	neighborhood
0:20:14	that we we do so at a level that doesn't
0:20:17	disrupt the neighborhood and that's what
0:20:19	drove the
0:20:20	capacity arguments
0:20:24	to setting maximum occupancy for a
0:20:26	warming shelter
0:20:28	in a residential neighborhood and again
0:20:31	with these boat amendments
0:20:32	a warming shelter that's placed in one
0:20:34	of the one of the
0:20:36	other non-residential zones that we've
0:20:39	itemized
0:20:41	they can be as large as the footprint of
0:20:43	building a labs
0:20:44	according to the
0:20:47	fire marshal's guidelines so
0:20:51	we're not saying that a temporary
0:20:53	warming shelter can only be so large
0:20:55	we're saying that
0:20:57	as directed by our development code we
0:20:59	need to make sure existing neighborhoods
0:21:02	aren't greatly disrupted by new uses
0:21:05	while at the same time allowing
0:21:08	this new exemplary warning farming
0:21:10	shelter conditional use
0:21:12	to be usable and useful in the zones in
0:21:15	which we
0:21:16	identify so arguments that
0:21:20	that we're trying to cap a warming
0:21:24	shelter
0:21:27	really only apply with regard to our
0:21:30	role as planning commissioners
0:21:31	of living by the guidelines
0:21:35	in our development code that tell us how
0:21:37	to behave
0:21:38	if that makes sense but in the other
0:21:41	zones
0:21:42	you know they could be as
0:21:51	that's in front of us i believe
0:21:53	encapsulates all the things that we've
0:21:55	discussed in
0:22:03	commissioner henry um i don't
0:22:06	i don't have a lot of comments right now
0:22:09	uh
0:22:09	i looked over the biased version you
0:22:13	sent out that
0:22:14	i do agree that it captures everything
0:22:15	we talked about um
0:22:18	i'd like to hear any more of the
0:22:20	testimony that people have come to share
0:22:23	and continue to discuss with
0:22:26	the commissioners thank you
0:22:30	commissioner herman um
0:22:33	in referencing dan parkerson's letter
0:22:36	i am thinking of his comment that
0:22:41	limiting the warming center to
0:22:44	25 people rather than 30 which is what
0:22:47	they have been taking
0:22:49	does not take advantage of this
0:22:52	you know the facility that they've
0:22:53	created there
0:22:55	and i'm sensitive to that um
0:22:58	because as he said on the really bad
0:23:00	nights that's five people who wouldn't
0:23:02	be getting shelter
0:23:04	um so that's my main concern
0:23:08	okay but i but i also agree with you um
0:23:12	commissioner moore about we need to be
0:23:15	making sure that we are protecting
0:23:18	neighborhoods
0:23:20	um so but but again i i
0:23:23	agree with dan in his letter that i'm
0:23:25	not sure why we need to limit it to 25
0:23:28	when the warming center this past year
0:23:30	did show
0:23:31	considerable improvement with the uh
0:23:34	good neighbor commitment
0:23:38	so
0:23:42	thank you commissioner government i
0:23:44	would remind um
0:23:46	all commissioners and those in
0:23:47	attendance that this
0:23:49	is not directly related to the escort
0:23:52	reporting center i know
0:23:54	and that this is about zoning code for
0:23:56	the city
0:23:57	and traveling the uh the general plan
0:24:00	and so we can learn from the awc's
0:24:05	our experience with the awc and the
0:24:07	awc's experience
0:24:08	but we are not supposed to write code
0:24:12	specifically for i guess i was just
0:24:16	referencing that 25
0:24:18	max number then i'm not sure how we came
0:24:21	how
0:24:22	commissioner moorhood came at that
0:24:23	specific number
0:24:26	but i can i could address that and that
0:24:28	was
0:24:31	based on averages and how those
0:24:34	average numbers each year
0:24:38	correlated with negative feedback so
0:24:41	that
0:24:41	the two years ago the average was above
0:24:44	30
0:24:45	and there was a lot of negative feedback
0:24:47	and this last season
0:24:49	it was under 30. he was 25 everybody
0:24:51	said mr parkerson
0:24:52	and there was very little if any
0:24:55	negative
0:24:55	impact so well that
0:24:58	number might be 30. uh i because of the
0:25:02	comprehensive plans direction i would
0:25:04	err
0:25:05	on the side of caution okay to protect
0:25:07	the neighborhoods
0:25:10	i think so that's where 25 came from
0:25:12	great
0:25:14	commissioner sorry i wasn't here last
0:25:17	meeting
0:25:18	in i didn't on page
0:25:22	two of the guidelines in the item one it
0:25:24	has the residential zones r2 and r3 but
0:25:27	it does not have r1
0:25:28	why is that r1 wasn't listed because we
0:25:31	agreed that 10 was appropriate for r1
0:25:33	and we're not regulating 10 or fewer
0:25:40	that makes
0:25:47	and this is something that the city
0:25:48	attorney wants wants to
0:25:51	um we want the city attorneys to
0:25:54	speak of and that is the ten or fewer
0:25:57	uh would not be regulated by that this
0:26:00	would
0:26:01	fall under the temporary use if anything
0:26:03	or the city might not be involved at all
0:26:05	so something larger
0:26:14	so conditional use it's allowed
0:26:18	the regulated temporary warming shelter
0:26:21	would be more than 10.
0:26:24	and it's allowed in the zones listed in
0:26:25	r1
0:26:27	okay because it says all other zones so
0:26:30	that that's what
0:26:31	well yeah all of our zones at the in the
0:26:33	bottom
0:26:34	in the uh zone changes
0:26:37	at the very top and we can clarify that
0:26:40	yeah
0:26:40	you make a very good point commissioner
0:26:42	um it might have said
0:26:44	all of their zones non-residential zones
0:26:47	were
0:26:47	something to that effect but it does
0:26:49	imply here that
0:26:52	you'd have one individual for 35 square
0:26:54	feet in r1
0:26:56	yeah that's what happened so all other
0:26:58	zones listed
0:26:59	that where it's listed as conditions
0:27:04	okay
0:27:06	my only comment thank you i do have one
0:27:09	other question
0:27:10	um if in the r1 zone somebody could
0:27:14	have a shelter with 10 or fewer people
0:27:18	is that correct
0:27:21	this document would not try to regulate
0:27:24	that
0:27:24	oh but the city could choose to okay to
0:27:27	regulate it however they want
0:27:28	all right which is currently how the awc
0:27:32	for example operates
0:27:33	is the city chose to have them come here
0:27:36	and ask for a temporary experiment okay
0:27:40	i was just curious are we going to be
0:27:42	setting limits
0:27:44	on how close potential shelters could be
0:27:47	to one another
0:27:49	yeah yeah right well i'm just thinking
0:27:51	in the r1 zone i guess
0:27:53	we're not even touching that so
0:27:56	i won't go there then
0:28:00	and i would i would remind
0:28:03	you that it was mr parkerson that
0:28:05	suggested the thousand foot buffer
0:28:08	right right thank you
0:28:11	any other comments from commissioners so
0:28:16	um i guess i don't have to open public
0:28:19	hearing
0:28:20	but we will allow public comment we
0:28:23	would ask that anyone that would like to
0:28:24	speak
0:28:24	would step up to the microphone
0:28:28	state your name and address and then
0:28:30	keep your comments to
0:28:31	under three minutes
0:28:40	my name is janet miltenberger
0:28:43	and i wanted to address the issue of the
0:28:46	25 versus 30 discussion as far as the
0:28:50	number of
0:28:51	persons allowed in a shelter
0:28:54	i understood the logic of commissioner
0:28:57	moore's uh
0:28:58	suggestion of 25 but i just want to
0:29:01	point out that
0:29:03	the average of 25 23 25 whatever it was
0:29:07	versus the average of 30 between two
0:29:09	different years was not the only
0:29:10	difference between those two years
0:29:12	uh many other things were changed
0:29:15	between the winter of 2016-17
0:29:18	and the winter of 2017-18
0:29:20	[Music]
0:29:22	the awc went through the whole process
0:29:24	of
0:29:26	extensive public meetings and input and
0:29:28	through that process developed a good
0:29:30	neighbor commitment
0:29:31	we implemented many changes to
0:29:34	[Music]
0:29:36	minimize our impact on the neighborhood
0:29:40	everything from a stricter exclusion
0:29:43	policy
0:29:45	to actively discouraging people from
0:29:48	arriving at the center early so they
0:29:50	wouldn't be congregating outside and
0:29:51	making noise
0:29:53	supervising smoke braces a whole list of
0:29:56	things in that good neighbor commitment
0:29:57	all of which have been implemented and
0:29:59	those
0:30:00	changes i i
0:30:04	believe are very strong factors in the
0:30:06	the difference in the that was noted in
0:30:08	the impact on the neighborhood between
0:30:09	those two years
0:30:11	so the number of people there was not
0:30:13	not the only factor
0:30:16	that caused
0:30:19	less negative impact this last year
0:30:21	compared to the year before
0:30:24	thank you mr milton berger that
0:30:27	you're coming up and speaking reminds me
0:30:29	that there is a church across the street
0:30:31	from your home
0:30:32	that wasn't listed on the map here oh
0:30:41	would anybody else like to address
0:30:49	could you please spell your name for the
0:30:51	record k-r-i-s
0:30:55	h-a-e-f-k-e-r um chris hate here
0:30:59	6-8-7-12 so i had a couple of questions
0:31:03	daryl about temporary use permits
0:31:06	and i think there's state guidelines for
0:31:10	temporary use permits and emergency
0:31:13	shelters
0:31:14	and do those guidelines trump the
0:31:18	guidelines that we have at a city level
0:31:21	so we would refer any questions to staff
0:31:24	so that would go to planner fervor
0:31:26	i have to look into it okay so if
0:31:30	i think if you have to you can get a
0:31:34	temporary use
0:31:35	for an emergency shelter and that
0:31:39	trumps all the city zoning uh
0:31:44	guidelines so i think that would be
0:31:46	interesting to look
0:31:47	into so if that's the case then
0:31:50	a shelter could be placed in an r1
0:31:54	an r2 and an r3
0:31:57	so that might be interesting to to
0:32:00	clarify
0:32:01	um because i know that they're opening
0:32:04	shelters in portland
0:32:05	in various neighborhoods with you know
0:32:08	different zoning
0:32:10	um and uh
0:32:15	and what is the disruption to the
0:32:18	neighborhood
0:32:19	and why are we distinguishing between
0:32:22	the amount of
0:32:22	people that can be in there is it
0:32:25	traffic
0:32:26	and the amount of cars and a parking
0:32:28	issue um
0:32:29	is it the amount of people and we're
0:32:31	worried about noise
0:32:33	is it the type of people because i don't
0:32:35	think we can actually
0:32:37	base a decision on that um
0:32:41	and if temporary use permits are
0:32:45	are something that we can get easily
0:32:48	and make use of different facilities in
0:32:52	different neighborhoods
0:32:53	um would we not be able to rotate these
0:32:56	shelters
0:32:57	like some other counties are doing too
0:33:00	so that the community as a whole
0:33:02	is accepting the burden and the
0:33:04	responsibility of our homeless
0:33:07	anyhow a couple of questions that we've
0:33:09	had please look into it
0:33:11	thank you mr acre can you make some
0:33:14	comments mr president
0:33:15	sure so i won't speak with any authority
0:33:18	on the temporary use at a
0:33:20	state level generally the state when
0:33:23	they make laws they
0:33:26	sometimes allow municipalities
0:33:29	to ignore or override and sometimes they
0:33:32	don't so i don't know
0:33:33	that there's a state i've never heard of
0:33:36	a state temporary use that would be
0:33:38	no my guess is it would have a time
0:33:40	restriction on it like if it was a fema
0:33:42	flood emergency and there was emergency
0:33:44	shelter set up for
0:33:45	30 days kind of thing it would be
0:33:47	different than this definition but i
0:33:49	have to look into it
0:33:50	so i do know that the technical advisory
0:33:52	from which which is from the state fire
0:33:54	marshal from which
0:33:56	much of this is derived the technical
0:33:59	advisory allows
0:34:00	municipalities to be more restrictive
0:34:03	than
0:34:04	what they authorized so while the ta
0:34:06	says one for 35 square feet if the city
0:34:09	of astoria wanted to make it one for 25
0:34:11	square feet
0:34:12	there would be no objection on the state
0:34:13	level we couldn't say
0:34:15	one for 45 square feet then the state
0:34:18	would be upset about that
0:34:20	and sorry would would that be correct or
0:34:23	did he
0:34:24	that's backwards i think that's
0:34:25	backwards you're right that's
0:34:27	right right so the more restrictive
0:34:31	uh to clarify
0:34:35	if the city asked for 25 per square foot
0:34:38	uh one person for 25 square foot
0:34:42	that would be 45 square feet or 15
0:34:46	square feet
0:34:51	yeah we could reduce the number per
0:34:52	square feet on a local level
0:34:55	but we couldn't increase that number of
0:34:57	state would be upset
0:34:59	the uh and then
0:35:02	as far as the disruption from the
0:35:03	neighborhood the comprehensive plan is
0:35:05	not
0:35:06	specific so it's judgment on the part of
0:35:10	planning commissioners what we
0:35:11	constitute a disruption to an existing
0:35:13	neighborhood or an impact negative
0:35:16	it's obviously not based in any way on
0:35:19	type of person as you said it's just
0:35:21	general impact on the neighborhood
0:35:24	even being a hot dog vendor or you know
0:35:26	cotton candy factory whatever
0:35:28	if it's
0:35:38	thank you commissioner moore would
0:35:40	anybody else like to address the
0:35:41	planning commission this evening
0:35:49	[Music]
0:35:52	if you could state your name and address
0:35:53	for the record and keep your comments to
0:35:55	three minutes or less my name is lois
0:35:58	dupay
0:35:59	and my address is p.o box 1282
0:36:03	s story i testified i believe it was in
0:36:07	april
0:36:07	at this commission
0:36:11	and at that time i noted that
0:36:15	the definitions that you are using are
0:36:17	extremely insulting
0:36:20	and i'm asking you once again what your
0:36:23	purpose is
0:36:24	in assigning this insulting label
0:36:27	to this entire process
0:36:30	in the section
0:36:33	specific conditional youth standard
0:36:37	temporary warming shelter purpose
0:36:40	the purpose is said to provide
0:36:43	short-term
0:36:43	shelter for homeless when homeless
0:36:47	are at greater risk of injury death etc
0:36:52	description warming shelter provides an
0:36:56	opportunity
0:36:57	for homeless to escape
0:37:01	you could use other derogatory terms if
0:37:03	you wanted to
0:37:04	you could just say rats or any
0:37:08	number of other terms but why do you
0:37:10	need
0:37:11	to assign a section to making
0:37:15	assumptions
0:37:15	about these people who are in need
0:37:19	their lifestyle may not be like yours
0:37:22	but that doesn't mean that you can say
0:37:25	that they
0:37:26	are sleeping in a manner not consistent
0:37:29	with being human beings
0:37:32	if you need to call them something call
0:37:33	them rats and be honest about your
0:37:36	attitudes why do you have to use this
0:37:39	label
0:37:40	homeless people don't like the label
0:37:42	homeless many of them
0:37:44	are not homeless they are individuals
0:37:48	in need why not just use the sentence
0:37:52	those in need of shelter
0:37:55	period thank you thank you for your
0:37:58	comments mr pay
0:37:59	[Music]
0:38:03	any other comment
0:38:09	all right so we will close the work
0:38:12	session
0:38:13	and
0:38:16	will the expectation planner forever be
0:38:18	that um
0:38:19	by the june 26th meeting will we have
0:38:22	the answers from
0:38:24	from mr henning's guard and will those
0:38:27	be in writing
0:38:28	yes they will be in writing um so
0:38:30	there's a couple options we could
0:38:31	continue
0:38:32	and have another work session at that
0:38:33	june meeting or at another date and time
0:38:36	or you could make a motion to move
0:38:37	forward with an actual code amendment
0:38:39	pending that we incorporate those legal
0:38:41	answers
0:38:42	and at that point you can still tinker
0:38:44	with the language too it would just be
0:38:45	in the form of an actual
0:38:47	amendment and then from there it would
0:38:48	go to council
0:38:50	so at some point we'll recommend
0:38:51	language to city council
0:38:53	but you can still address issues if they
0:38:55	come up
0:38:56	and still open it up for public
0:38:57	testimony um that however couldn't
0:39:00	happen at the next meeting because we
0:39:02	have to send public notice out 35 days
0:39:04	ahead of time
0:39:05	so it would be the meeting in july
0:39:09	how do the commissioners feel i will be
0:39:13	using this in july would be
0:39:15	good for me
0:39:17	[Music]
0:39:19	well i think we have two questions and
0:39:21	one being do we
0:39:23	recommend yeah one is if you want to
0:39:25	have another work session
0:39:26	or wait for answers for these legal
0:39:29	issues or change some language or
0:39:31	address anything that's come up tonight
0:39:32	or just move forward with emotion to
0:39:35	direct staff to
0:39:36	put this into code language and move
0:39:38	forward with the code amendment
0:39:43	so commissioner henry would you like to
0:39:45	sure yeah so i i was hoping to have some
0:39:48	of the legal questions answered
0:39:51	um
0:39:55	that being said uh that would be my only
0:39:58	hesitancy
0:39:59	in uh making a motion today
0:40:04	mr moore i'm confident that the legal
0:40:06	questions won't
0:40:07	be turtle for us so i'm i'm comfortable
0:40:10	making a motion today
0:40:12	addressing any minor issues
0:40:17	commissioner herman i would like to do a
0:40:19	bit of editing of the language based on
0:40:21	what
0:40:22	diane said lois i'm sorry
0:40:25	what lois said i don't think it would be
0:40:28	difficult to edit that but i'm wondering
0:40:32	is it appropriate if i ask what term
0:40:35	would you use
0:40:35	instead of homeless well i i understand
0:40:39	what you're saying
0:40:40	um i'm sorry that ms dupey feels that
0:40:43	that homeless
0:40:43	is a derogatory term i don't know that
0:40:45	it necessarily needs to be
0:40:47	i think a person could choose to find it
0:40:49	derogatory or not
0:40:52	but i agree that we might say people in
0:40:54	need because
0:40:55	the original intention of the estuary
0:40:58	warming center
0:40:59	before season one was
0:41:02	to provide a temporary shelter
0:41:06	to the people who the the um
0:41:09	quoting the person those few in astoria
0:41:13	who might need a place
0:41:14	and we were told that there might be
0:41:16	people whose heat had been turned off
0:41:19	for whatever reason and
0:41:22	needed a place to stay warm when it was
0:41:24	freezing outside
0:41:26	so i would be in favor
0:41:29	of changing the language but i don't
0:41:31	like the idea
0:41:32	that someone would come and suggest the
0:41:35	boarding
0:41:36	is inappropriate or derogatory when it
0:41:38	isn't necessarily
0:41:40	well i would object to that because the
0:41:42	um public comment section is closed
0:41:46	a question by
0:41:55	okay so so changing
0:41:59	language are you comfortable
0:42:03	with doing something tonight or would
0:42:06	you prefer to have
0:42:07	another work session i don't know that
0:42:09	we need to have another work session
0:42:11	okay thank you i don't think it would
0:42:13	take that long
0:42:15	thank you mr risa
0:42:20	um really far
0:42:23	okay would someone like to make a motion
0:42:28	i don't i don't think some of them
0:42:29	understood what you just said mr eason
0:42:32	no thank you i'm sorry would you repeat
0:42:34	what you just said
0:42:35	commissioner eason please again just
0:42:37	moving forward with the
0:42:39	thanks motion
0:42:42	thank you thank you i removed the
0:42:45	asteroid planning commission
0:42:49	recommend or
0:42:51	[Music]
0:42:54	advise staff to prepare code language
0:42:57	for
0:42:58	recommendations for counseling
0:43:02	it was pretty close um for planning
0:43:04	permission to approve and that would
0:43:06	recommend so
0:43:06	that's there should i correct that i
0:43:10	move the planning commission directs
0:43:12	staff to
0:43:13	prepare code language to bring back to
0:43:16	planning commission
0:43:17	for approval and recommendation to
0:43:19	counsel for adoption
0:43:21	regarding the temporary homeless
0:43:23	contemporary warming shelter
0:43:25	code language
0:43:28	so where does that leave us with making
0:43:30	some editing
0:43:33	if we were to edit the language somewhat
0:43:35	so we can still edit it so there'll be a
0:43:37	whole
0:43:37	findings of facts that will turn into
0:43:39	from a draft to a beautiful code
0:43:42	and there'll still be a time then the
0:43:44	public hearing will reopen for public
0:43:46	testimony so if you wanted to tinker
0:43:48	with language or
0:43:48	buffers or if legal stuff came up we
0:43:50	could still address it then
0:43:52	okay but it won't be until july or maybe
0:43:55	even august but
0:43:56	july at the earliest
0:44:00	so do we have a second i'll second all
0:44:02	those in favor
0:44:04	opposed motion carries
0:44:08	[Music]
0:44:12	reports of officers
0:44:16	commissioner henry commissioner moore
0:44:20	thank the all commission for uh work
0:44:24	to work on these women um
0:44:27	again just to clarify the language
0:44:30	that was used in that document
0:44:34	a lot of it was extracted from existing
0:44:36	eye which is other
0:44:37	jurisdictions including the definitions
0:44:39	that came straight out of oregon city's
0:44:42	code language so any
0:44:45	presumption that it contains personal
0:44:48	bias on behalf of any one of us
0:44:51	completely false
0:44:53	slightly different thank you i find it
0:44:56	very offensive personally
0:44:58	we're not referring to people as rats or
0:44:59	anything else and
0:45:01	standard language in this state that
0:45:03	people are using so
0:45:05	um why we have to sit here and create
0:45:08	new language for something that's
0:45:10	already on books i find a little
0:45:11	ridiculous
0:45:13	how do you know they're homeless
0:45:16	have you interviewed i didn't mean to
0:45:19	suggest
0:45:20	i didn't mean to offend either of you or
0:45:22	to suggest that you were
0:45:24	biased in that way but um
0:45:28	i do as a former english teacher and as
0:45:30	a writer i words
0:45:32	carry a lot of weight and there's a lot
0:45:34	of language that
0:45:36	[Music]
0:45:38	is not what i would like so it doesn't
0:45:41	mean it can't be improved
0:45:42	um
0:45:45	yeah i think the definitions of
0:45:47	homelessness individual
0:45:49	this person who has family um i think
0:45:52	it's
0:45:53	it's pretty good um i don't think he's
0:45:56	insensitive
0:45:58	and uh i know there are other terms that
0:46:02	might be performed nowadays
0:46:05	uh there's also something to be said for
0:46:08	the conventional language
0:46:10	that the rest of the state is using um
0:46:13	i i think we could improve upon it a
0:46:15	little bit just to open it up to
0:46:16	slightly broader
0:46:18	um classification of
0:46:21	people but uh
0:46:25	other than that i think you can do that
0:46:27	to create with the code language
0:46:29	at least with the
0:46:32	code languages presented to us
0:46:35	i think it's really close i mean i
0:46:37	appreciate the input
0:46:38	and it's good but i certainly don't
0:46:41	think that the definition of homeless
0:46:43	individual person or homeless family is
0:46:46	dehumanizing or makes people seem like
0:46:50	they're perhaps thank you
0:46:58	okay any other reports of officers
0:47:02	[Music]
0:47:05	new business
0:47:09	um i did want to welcome tiffany taylor
0:47:11	she just started last week and she will
0:47:12	join us at some meetings so
0:47:14	you can say hi but you can be expecting
0:47:16	to get emails and packets
0:47:18	um from her so make sure to say hi next
0:47:20	time your city hall
0:47:22	we're happy to have her great and any
0:47:25	status reports
0:47:26	yeah all right public comment
0:47:30	non-agenda items wouldn't even like to
0:47:32	address us
0:47:34	for any items that were not on tonight's
0:47:36	agenda
0:47:38	seeing none we will adjourn